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Group: DynoMotion Message: 7239 From: mattbsemail Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Knowledge base and "lingo"
So I bought a KFLOP atop a KAnalog and it's just been sitting because I've been way too busy with work. I have mounted it inside a computer case and I setup the power supply already. Then I had to order encoders it took 2 months and I pretty much let the project die. I have about $5k in it so far and I would like to finish but I have no idea where to start. Is there a place I can learn to retrofit a 3 axis CNC mill? I have a serious lack of knowledge on where to start and how to go about doing this. It is a Kasuga w/ a bandit control. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time! Matt
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7241 From: TK Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
Hi Matt,

Check out cnczone.com there is tons of info. 

But the first step is to see if you can get your motors to turn by applying a small voltage to the amplifier +/- 10V analog input. You might start with a 1.5V battery.  The motor should run at 15% full speed. Reversing the battery should run the motor the opposite direction. 

If that works, connect a Kanalog DAC instead of the battery. Then try to command motor speeds using the KMotion Console Screen with commands like DAC0=200

Regards
TK

On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:28 AM, "mattbsemail" <mattbsemail@...> wrote:

 

So I bought a KFLOP atop a KAnalog and it's just been sitting because I've been way too busy with work. I have mounted it inside a computer case and I setup the power supply already. Then I had to order encoders it took 2 months and I pretty much let the project die. I have about $5k in it so far and I would like to finish but I have no idea where to start. Is there a place I can learn to retrofit a 3 axis CNC mill? I have a serious lack of knowledge on where to start and how to go about doing this. It is a Kasuga w/ a bandit control. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time! Matt
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7243 From: mattbsemail Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
Well I had already done that with a 9V and a potentiometer. All 3 motors turned cw, ccw, and it was looking good.

I don't know what DAC means.


--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, TK <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> Check out cnczone.com there is tons of info.
>
> But the first step is to see if you can get your motors to turn by applying a small voltage to the amplifier +/- 10V analog input. You might start with a 1.5V battery. The motor should run at 15% full speed. Reversing the battery should run the motor the opposite direction.
>
> If that works, connect a Kanalog DAC instead of the battery. Then try to command motor speeds using the KMotion Console Screen with commands like DAC0=200
>
> Regards
> TK
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:28 AM, "mattbsemail" <mattbsemail@...> wrote:
>
> > So I bought a KFLOP atop a KAnalog and it's just been sitting because I've been way too busy with work. I have mounted it inside a computer case and I setup the power supply already. Then I had to order encoders it took 2 months and I pretty much let the project die. I have about $5k in it so far and I would like to finish but I have no idea where to start. Is there a place I can learn to retrofit a 3 axis CNC mill? I have a serious lack of knowledge on where to start and how to go about doing this. It is a Kasuga w/ a bandit control. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time! Matt
> >
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7245 From: TK Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
Hi Matt,

You might try researching on the Internet or Google. A DAC is a digital to analog converter. Or like an electronic potentiometer. You put a digital number in and out comes a voltage. Kanalog has 8 of them. See


TK

On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:29 PM, "mattbsemail" <mattbsemail@...> wrote:

 


Well I had already done that with a 9V and a potentiometer. All 3 motors turned cw, ccw, and it was looking good.

I don't know what DAC means.

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, TK <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> Check out cnczone.com there is tons of info.
>
> But the first step is to see if you can get your motors to turn by applying a small voltage to the amplifier +/- 10V analog input. You might start with a 1.5V battery. The motor should run at 15% full speed. Reversing the battery should run the motor the opposite direction.
>
> If that works, connect a Kanalog DAC instead of the battery. Then try to command motor speeds using the KMotion Console Screen with commands like DAC0=200
>
> Regards
> TK
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:28 AM, "mattbsemail" <mattbsemail@...> wrote:
>
> > So I bought a KFLOP atop a KAnalog and it's just been sitting because I've been way too busy with work. I have mounted it inside a computer case and I setup the power supply already. Then I had to order encoders it took 2 months and I pretty much let the project die. I have about $5k in it so far and I would like to finish but I have no idea where to start. Is there a place I can learn to retrofit a 3 axis CNC mill? I have a serious lack of knowledge on where to start and how to go about doing this. It is a Kasuga w/ a bandit control. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time! Matt
> >
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7246 From: mattbsemail Date: 4/12/2013
Subject: Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
Ah I see JP11. So is there any order to put the Axis' in

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, TK <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> You might try researching on the Internet or Google. A DAC is a digital to analog converter. Or like an electronic potentiometer. You put a digital number in and out comes a voltage. Kanalog has 8 of them. See
> http://dynomotion.com/Kanalog.html
>
>
> TK
>
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:29 PM, "mattbsemail" <mattbsemail@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Well I had already done that with a 9V and a potentiometer. All 3 motors turned cw, ccw, and it was looking good.
> >
> > I don't know what DAC means.
> >
> > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, TK <tk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Matt,
> > >
> > > Check out cnczone.com there is tons of info.
> > >
> > > But the first step is to see if you can get your motors to turn by applying a small voltage to the amplifier +/- 10V analog input. You might start with a 1.5V battery. The motor should run at 15% full speed. Reversing the battery should run the motor the opposite direction.
> > >
> > > If that works, connect a Kanalog DAC instead of the battery. Then try to command motor speeds using the KMotion Console Screen with commands like DAC0=200
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > TK
> > >
> > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:28 AM, "mattbsemail" <mattbsemail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > So I bought a KFLOP atop a KAnalog and it's just been sitting because I've been way too busy with work. I have mounted it inside a computer case and I setup the power supply already. Then I had to order encoders it took 2 months and I pretty much let the project die. I have about $5k in it so far and I would like to finish but I have no idea where to start. Is there a place I can learn to retrofit a 3 axis CNC mill? I have a serious lack of knowledge on where to start and how to go about doing this. It is a Kasuga w/ a bandit control. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time! Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7247 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 4/13/2013
Subject: Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
Hi Matt,

No.  But the logical order would be:

DAC0 = X
DAC1 = Y
DAC2 = Z

As well as
Axis channel 0 = X,
Axis channel 1 = Y,
Axis channel 2 = Z. 

As well as

Encoder channel 0 = X
Encoder channel 1 = Y
Encoder channel 2 = Z

But for now just concern yourself with the DACS

Regards
TK
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7282 From: mattbsemail Date: 4/16/2013
Subject: Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
Ok I got the three axis hooked up and I did put them in XYZ order does this look correct?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DynoMotion/photos/album/1879334121/pic/list

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> No.  But the logical order would be:
>
> DAC0 = X
>
> DAC1 = Y
>
> DAC2 = Z
>
>
> As well as
>
> Axis channel 0 = X,
>
> Axischannel 1 = Y,
>
> Axischannel 2 = Z. 
>
>
> As well as
>
>
> Encoder channel 0 = X
>
> Encoder channel 1 = Y
>
> Encoder channel 2 = Z
>
> But for now just concern yourself with the DACS
>
>
> Regards
> TK
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mattbsemail <mattbsemail@...>
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:21 PM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
>
>
>
>  
> Ah I see JP11. So is there any order to put the Axis' in
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, TK <tk@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > You might try researching on the Internet or Google. A DAC is a digital to analog converter. Or like an electronic potentiometer. You put a digital number in and out comes a voltage. Kanalog has 8 of them. See
> > http://dynomotion.com/Kanalog.html
> >
> >
> > TK
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:29 PM, "mattbsemail" <mattbsemail@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Well I had already done that with a 9V and a potentiometer. All 3 motors turned cw, ccw, and it was looking good.
> > >
> > > I don't know what DAC means.
> > >
> > > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, TK <tk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Matt,
> > > >
> > > > Check out cnczone.com there is tons of info.
> > > >
> > > > But the first step is to see if you can get your motors to turn by applying a small voltage to the amplifier +/- 10V analog input. You might start with a 1.5V battery. The motor should run at 15% full speed. Reversing the battery should run the motor the opposite direction.
> > > >
> > > > If that works, connect a Kanalog DAC instead of the battery. Then try to command motor speeds using the KMotion Console Screen with commands like DAC0=200
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > TK
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:28 AM, "mattbsemail" <mattbsemail@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So I bought a KFLOP atop a KAnalog and it's just been sitting because I've been way too busy with work. I have mounted it inside a computer case and I setup the power supply already. Then I had to order encoders it took 2 months and I pretty much let the project die. I have about $5k in it so far and I would like to finish but I have no idea where to start. Is there a place I can learn to retrofit a 3 axis CNC mill? I have a serious lack of knowledge on where to start and how to go about doing this. It is a Kasuga w/ a bandit control. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time! Matt
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7283 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 4/16/2013
Subject: Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
Hi Matt,

Yes those are the Kanalog DAC Outputs.   But what did you connect them to?

Regards
TK

Group: DynoMotion Message: 7285 From: mattbsemail Date: 4/16/2013
Subject: Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
Sorry for the slow response. Those are my signal wires for x y and z. Are those the ones I want to hook up?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DynoMotion/photos/album/1879334121/pic/664600576/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> Yes those are the Kanalog DAC Outputs.   But what did you connect them to?
>
> Regards
> TK
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mattbsemail <mattbsemail@...>
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:41 PM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
>
>
>
>  
> Ok I got the three axis hooked up and I did put them in XYZ order does this look correct?
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DynoMotion/photos/album/1879334121/pic/list
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Matt,
> >
> > No.  But the logical order would be:
> >
> > DAC0 = X
> >
> > DAC1 = Y
> >
> > DAC2 = Z
> >
> >
> > As well as
> >
> > Axis channel 0 = X,
> >
> > Axischannel 1 = Y,
> >
> > Axischannel 2 = Z. 
> >
> >
> > As well as
> >
> >
> > Encoder channel 0 = X
> >
> > Encoder channel 1 = Y
> >
> > Encoder channel 2 = Z
> >
> > But for now just concern yourself with the DACS
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > TK
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mattbsemail <mattbsemail@>
> > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 5:21 PM
> > Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> > Ah I see JP11. So is there any order to put the Axis' in
> >
> > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, TK <tk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Matt,
> > >
> > > You might try researching on the Internet or Google. A DAC is a digital to analog converter. Or like an electronic potentiometer. You put a digital number in and out comes a voltage. Kanalog has 8 of them. See
> > > http://dynomotion.com/Kanalog.html
> > >
> > >
> > > TK
> > >
> > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:29 PM, "mattbsemail" <mattbsemail@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Well I had already done that with a 9V and a potentiometer. All 3 motors turned cw, ccw, and it was looking good.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what DAC means.
> > > >
> > > > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, TK <tk@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Matt,
> > > > >
> > > > > Check out cnczone.com there is tons of info.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the first step is to see if you can get your motors to turn by applying a small voltage to the amplifier +/- 10V analog input. You might start with a 1.5V battery. The motor should run at 15% full speed. Reversing the battery should run the motor the opposite direction.
> > > > >
> > > > > If that works, connect a Kanalog DAC instead of the battery. Then try to command motor speeds using the KMotion Console Screen with commands like DAC0=200
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > TK
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 11:28 AM, "mattbsemail" <mattbsemail@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > So I bought a KFLOP atop a KAnalog and it's just been sitting because I've been way too busy with work. I have mounted it inside a computer case and I setup the power supply already. Then I had to order encoders it took 2 months and I pretty much let the project die. I have about $5k in it so far and I would like to finish but I have no idea where to start. Is there a place I can learn to retrofit a 3 axis CNC mill? I have a serious lack of knowledge on where to start and how to go about doing this. It is a Kasuga w/ a bandit control. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time! Matt
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 7287 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 4/17/2013
Subject: Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
Hi Matt,

Are you expecting someone to know what that picture of the connector on your machine is?

Don't you have any wiring diagrams of your machine?

Regards
TK

Group: DynoMotion Message: 7288 From: bobgarrish Date: 4/18/2013
Subject: Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
Hi Matt,

Retrofitting a mill is a lot more like putting a different engine in your car than putting new rims and a body kit on it. Every machine is different, and the manufacturers didn't design them to be deciphered.

I wouldn't recommend this as a project unless you're at least basically comfortable with a meter and an oscilloscope as well as soldering and working with standard electronics (reading datasheets, relays, wiring and testing 5V logic). It's definitely a whole different can of worms retrofitting an industrial machine VS a hobbyist control like a Mach 3 machine with Geckos which was designed to be easy to fiddle with.

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> Are you expecting someone to know what that picture of the connector on your machine is?
>
> Don't you have any wiring diagrams of your machine?
>
> Regards
> TK
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mattbsemail <mattbsemail@...>
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:59 PM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Knowledge base and "lingo"
>
>
>
>  
> Sorry for the slow response. Those are my signal wires for x y and z. Are those the ones I want to hook up?
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DynoMotion/photos/album/1879334121/pic/664600576/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@> wrote: